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    Music Review: Modest Mouse - We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank

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    We Were Dead before the Ship Even Sank culminates three years of work for the crossover anthem craftsmen, but the first impression you get from Isaac Brock’s latest group of rants is that this record was rushed. Late last year before the first single “Dashboard” dropped, Modest Mouse made a huge splash by announcing that pop guitar icon Johnny Marr of The Smiths fame was going to be a full-time band member and assist in the songwriting process. As big a deal as that was at the time, now that the album has arrived, Marr’s effect on the band is very subtle. Not quite the sweeping change you would expect for someone notorious for anal-retentive track layering in the studio.

    We Were Dead has a couple similarities to Good News for People Who Love Bad News (the band’s last effort and huge success): a largely accessible single (“Dashboard” and “Float On”) and a slow, emotive tirade (“Parting of the Sensory” and “Bukowski”). Beyond that however, the filler tracks are much less substantive. Though Good News was a very rewarding listen after the success of “Float On,” We Were Dead seems to be a waste of time after the highly marketed tracks. Good News had clear lyrical ideas that developed trust over the course of the album, whereas We Were Dead has a lot of angry babbling and guitar buildups that lead nowhere. Gone are the fitting analogies (“Like Black Cadillacs outside a funeral”), and in their place are very confusing run-ons (“If you think you know enough to know you know we’ve had enough”).

    Pulling the blinders over the mainstream’s eyes seems to be Brock’s forte now. That may have worked in the past, where you could sell millions of records on the strength of a single, but in an age where ninety-nine cent downloads are becoming the norm consumers are going to get smart and buy the smash hit and leave the dead insulation songs behind. It may not be entirely Modest Mouse’s fault if that happens though. Part of me wants to think they were hurried into releasing this album, despite the long layoff. Evidence of this is found on the song “Education” where they recycle beats and heap on the Tom Waits-like shouting found on their last CD. The pressure of being on Sony/BMG might be getting to Isaac a little now that the honeymoon is over. Instead of writing because he loves to (on his own time), he’s now under contract to put out content.

    Under that lens, bringing on Johnny Marr to push things along and add inspiration makes more sense, but it seems like he didn’t have much to work with. The tracks where you notice the Ex-Smith’s presence most are “Fire It Up” and “Missed the Boat” where you see that signature Marr guitar glimmer, and there’s definitely potential in these tunes, but it’s apparent that the new collaboration needs more time to evolve. Another cute cameo that appears tacked on to try and salvage We Were Dead is James Mercer from The Shins singing some sweet backups on a couple songs (notably “We’ve Got Everything”), but again, the interplay between Mercer and Brock seems forced.

    The last remaining hope I have for Modest Mouse after the disappointment of these 14 songs is that the band will hone the new connection with Johnny Marr into something special over the course of this upcoming tour. Having him render their older songs in a new light will better prepare them for the next time they hit the studio and they can fully take advantage of the talent.

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    Frodo says:

    posted February 20, 2007 10:42 PM

    I listened to this for the first time today and I have to say, I agree on most points. The album really does just get a bit boring near the end, and starts to all sound like the same song. I hope on future listens it starts to reveal some layers.

    Caspian says:

    posted February 22, 2007 11:19 AM

    Yeah, and hearing James Mercer sing backup just makes me want to listen to The Shins' new album instead. That shouldn't happen when I'm listening to Modest Mouse.

    J Wiles says:

    posted February 26, 2007 11:24 AM

    Your assertion of a rushed sound and subtle contributions from Marr are correct. However, your analysis of the lyrical quality is not. Good News was an anamoly for the sequence and development. You can not expect every subsequent album to have such direct discourse. Compare this work to the quality of peers. Your criticism may apply to what is main stream. It should not apply to indie rock.

    Johnny T says:

    posted February 26, 2007 9:23 PM

    I've been a fan of MM for 10 years. Basically from the beginning. I like there new stuff just as much as there old stuff and take it for what it is, a band that evolves. Which is definately a good thing. With that said, I disagree with the above article. First, it is a great thing that Marr hasn't changed the sound. Being a Modest Mouse found, the last thing I would want is someone to come in and change what I like. He does a great job to accompany. Secondly, it was hard to get through such a negative article but the again I use my ears with an album, not a microscope. With that said, what a great album.

    Caspian says:

    posted February 26, 2007 11:22 PM

    Thanks for counterpoints you two! I was a bit harsh, but I really think my criticisms will hold up over time here. After the first 5 listens, I haven't played this album again in almost a week. "Good News..." was constantly in my musical rotation from the time it was released up until now, and I just don't see this record having the same staying power. That said, I still love Modest Mouse and I hope they continue making great singles and being ambassadors for indie rock in the mainstream.

    Frodo says:

    posted February 27, 2007 9:13 AM

    A good friend of mine's brother is in the band, and surprisingly he (the band member) says that this is the best Modest Mouse album he's worked on.

    Caspian and I both look at albums as a full product, even if ONE song sounds out of place we may like that album less. Because we are jerks like that.

    Dave says:

    posted February 28, 2007 2:33 PM

    I, for one, welcome our new Modest Mouse tracks.

    YO YO says:

    posted March 5, 2007 9:04 PM

    I just listened to the album again and I conclude that our friend here is on crack.

    "disappointment of these 14 songs"

    Are you telling me you couldn't find one song you approved of? Basically that voids your review. You can't tell me that all 14 songs are disapointing. And about your opinion standing the test of time? It just fell.

    With that said, I'll just have to flip it around. The album is amazing---pretty much all 14 songs. I've been a fan from the beginning and this is arguably one of their strongest albums.

    "I still love Modest Mouse and I hope they continue making great singles and being ambassadors for indie rock in the mainstream"

    Make Great singles??? They make albums. Go back to K-Fed and the rest of your buddies.

    Crack kills, don't do it.

    Frodo says:

    posted March 6, 2007 9:58 AM

    Modest Mouse may have "made albums" with Good News, but We Were Dead is a vessel to deliver the single that is Dashboard. It's the only track that stands out and doesn't ramble too much. The rest is just a muddy mess. I suggest you listen to The Decemberists, Elliott Smith or even Sufjan Stevens to see how a band makes an album. I firmly believe that Modest Mouse was trying to recapture the commercial success of Good News, which required making a new Float On. That was all they needed, and they pretty much accomplished it with Dashboard. The rest of the album is an afterthought.

    HEY says:

    posted March 6, 2007 10:10 AM

    Frodo, you shouldn't be even commenting or maybe find another topic that you can back up.

    Frodo says:

    posted March 6, 2007 10:31 AM

    Ehh? Why shouldn't I be commenting? #1 It's my website. #2 I was a DJ for 3 years and know a little bit about music. #3 I am only 2 degrees away from the band.

    Who are you again? Why are YOU commenting?

    HEY says:

    posted March 6, 2007 2:03 PM

    Do you know how retarded you sound?

    It's your website? So.

    You were a DJ for 3 years? DJ's are a dime a dozen in this day and age.

    2 degrees from the band? I'm 2 degrees from Bono but it doesn't mean jack shit.

    I will take you serious when you drop the name Frodo. Clerks 2 had a pretty good segment on you guys.

    Frodo says:

    posted March 6, 2007 2:17 PM

    Bad day, HEY? Don't come on my website and spread your pissing and moaning. Come up with reasonable, non-insulting argument about the subject at hand - the new Modest Mouse album. I presented you with a number of arguments touting my credibility and how I am allowed to comment on this album, and you come back with an insult about my internet moniker?

    HEY says:

    posted March 6, 2007 2:22 PM

    ;)

    Juliano says:

    posted March 9, 2007 9:36 PM

    The Album Rocks. Isaac's voice is all that matters. He knows just how to sing to a guitar and drum beat and the band knows how to play with him. THis is always evident on MM albums. Spittin Venom - come on that's the shiggity: long and choppy, melodic and angry. Damn, all the tracks are tight. We've Got Everything - please, that's the hit that will shine for decades. It's so retro - so 80's, yet so Modest Mouse. Don't worry, MM is back with a vengance. Little Motel - thats f'ing beautiful. It's about a break-up - wow, such a lovely melody about such a sore topic. That's classic Indie Modest Mouse. Im done. The album is 4th best right behind "Building Nothing, Long Drive, and The lonesome."

    fan says:

    posted March 16, 2007 11:41 AM

    If you're looking for another obvious single like float on or the ocean breathes salty then you won't be able to appreciate it. if you're able to appreciate what some call "filler" tracks (most of my favorite songs from modest mouse are b-sides.. it seems to happen to me with a lot of other bands anyhow)and ignore what may seem like lack of hooks, it may grow on you, in my opinion it can take on a lot of crappy cd's that are being thrown at the market. Not to insult but to be a DJ it's very important to play songs that the people enjoy, like for instance a lot of stuff that may be considered crap from a musical viewpoint but appealing to the mass crowd.. where i'm heading with this is that i agree with morrissey, hang the DJ.

    Caspian says:

    posted March 16, 2007 2:46 PM

    I think a lot of you are missing the point. My stance is this: On "Good News For People Who Love Bad News" Modest Mouse had a single or two that gave them huge commercial success, but after that Good News was chock-full of meaningful, well-written tunes like "Bukowski," "Black Cadillacs," and "World At Large." All the non-commercial tracks on Good News were the ones that made it so enjoyable for people like myself and Frodo who want some deeper lyrical content. Instead, on "We Were Dead" i felt like Modest Mouse didn't spend as much time fine-tuning and crafting the songs. I felt like instead of having cohesive themes to the songs that were followable, Isaac Brock's lyrics were just one uncharted tangent after another. And contrary to popular belief a "lack of hooks" doesn't make your music deep, it just makes it boring. The definition of a hook is something that keeps bringing you back to a tune, and very few of the grooves on We Were Dead did that for me.

    It doesn't give me any joy to bag on this album- quite the opposite. But unlike a lot of you, I'm willing to look at the material objectively as a Modest Mouse fan and admit that this simply isn't up to their standards, let alone their Indie Rock peers'.

    The Geek says:

    posted March 16, 2007 4:58 PM

    I think the only Modest Mouse song I've ever heard is that Float On one, and I don't like it at all.

    Fan says:

    posted March 20, 2007 9:29 AM

    I didn't say there were lack of hooks, I said there may seem to be a lack of hooks, the album's full of hooks. It's just hard to accept that it's not Good News all over again to some. If you're gonna compare this album and say old Modest Mouse were better, don't be a douche and compare it to Good News(it's really like a mix between their older albums and what the mainstream sounds like, not good news again) , try to find something better like the Moon and Antartica or even Building Nothing Out of Something, Good News can't touch those older albums anyways. By the way, this record has grown on me, it's good.

    Last Laugh says:

    posted March 28, 2007 10:30 PM

    Looks like We Were Dead has the last laugh and has sunk the above review. Considering it debut at number 1 on Billboard Top 200. Also number 1 on I Tunes. People are buying the ALBUMS. C'mon, everyone knows you don't listen to Modest Mouse for the singles ;)

    Caspian says:

    posted April 6, 2007 8:49 AM

    They're novelty sales based on the success of their last album. Look at the charts 5 years from now and see who sells more over time, Arcade Fire's "Neon Bible" or Modest Mouse's "We Were Dead" - guarantee you it'll be Arcade Fire.

    Hobo says:

    posted April 21, 2007 11:17 AM

    Seriously, are you mental? What does Arcade Fire have to do with this? And who cares if Arcade Fire sells more albums than Modest Mouse. That is not the point. And about the sales being Novelty sales, when it's all said and done, this album would have easily outsold the last. Anyways, get some help.

    seliphane says:

    posted February 3, 2008 7:36 PM

    i love this album, it really has me moving with it. im a big modest mouse fan and have been since good things came out, but i find many albums enjoyable. the reason we were dead is so great is because it leaves you to think about it. it may be abstract to most, but i really like the sound and i think the lyrics go great with it. im not going to be defensive of this album, as the review brought up good points. but ill continue to love this album for a long time.

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